# Empty Sets - When to Use Curly Brackets

Are you teaching sets? Some of the stuff that you talk about in set theory  is pretty clear - you have a basket { } and you put stuff in it {♥, ✂, ☎, ✿}. No problem.

But what's the deal with the basket with no stuff in it?

That's the empty set. It's written like Ø or simply as the "basket" like this: { }.

But kids might be tempted to write {Ø} - and then they get it wrong. BUT WHY?

### The empty set is an object!

Suppose you have four empty sets. Do you have nothing? Nope - you have four containers. Just check your cabinets - I'm guessing you have a handful of empty sets in there with the Rubbermaid® or Tupperware® logo on them.

### And {Ø} is an object inside a set.

Supposed you put one inside the other, like this:

This is an empty set contained in an empty set: {Ø} So the bigger empty set isn't really empty!

This is the same as {Ø}. Would you be willing to put leftovers inside the bigger one while the smaller one is there? It would be something like this:

If Ø is the same as {Ø} then you shouldn't be grossed out about doing this with your leftovers.

Instead, wouldn't you be more likely to remove one empty set from the other and have just Ø and Ø (no curly brackets) like this:

These are two empty sets: Ø and Ø

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3 Responses to Empty Sets - When to Use Curly Brackets

I think that the analogy might be misleading, because you can have many empty containers, but there is only one empty set. A set is like a container in some ways; but unlike a container, a set is determined by its elements. Two sets that contain the same elements are identical, but two distinct containers could have the same contents, or no contents.

I do agree that the analogy can be useful, but one should avoid phrases such as "two empty sets" which can cause misconceptions.

• Bon

Wow, Dave. You're totally right.

Which makes me really think about the possibility of having different empty sets. Since the empty set is an element of the power set of any set, might the empty set as an element of the power set of integers be technically different than the empty set as an element of the power set of the set of polynomials (for instance)? I guess, no. But something feels like it might be yes.

If we say, "There's nothing in it," it might be very different if we know what the possible things are that MIGHT be in it.

Wondering...

Hmm. The axiom of extensionality states that two sets are equal if and only if they have the same elements. This is a standard axiom of set theory, and it implies that the empty set is unique.

But it does seem to me that there are instances where we would want to allow different sets to have the same elements. For example, suppose that a high school has a math club and a chess club. It might happen that the two clubs have the same membership list, but we would still consider the clubs to be different. Maybe there is a non-standard set theory that would model this situation.

# Empty Sets - When to Use Curly Brackets

Are you teaching sets? Some of the stuff that you talk about in set theory  is pretty clear - you have a basket { } and you put stuff in it {♥, ✂, ☎, ✿}. No problem.

But what's the deal with the basket with no stuff in it?

That's the empty set. It's written like Ø or simply as the "basket" like this: { }.

But kids might be tempted to write {Ø} - and then they get it wrong. BUT WHY?

### The empty set is an object!

Suppose you have four empty sets. Do you have nothing? Nope - you have four containers. Just check your cabinets - I'm guessing you have a handful of empty sets in there with the Rubbermaid® or Tupperware® logo on them.

### And {Ø} is an object inside a set.

Supposed you put one inside the other, like this:

This is an empty set contained in an empty set: {Ø} So the bigger empty set isn't really empty!

This is the same as {Ø}. Would you be willing to put leftovers inside the bigger one while the smaller one is there? It would be something like this:

If Ø is the same as {Ø} then you shouldn't be grossed out about doing this with your leftovers.

Instead, wouldn't you be more likely to remove one empty set from the other and have just Ø and Ø (no curly brackets) like this:

These are two empty sets: Ø and Ø

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3 Responses to Empty Sets - When to Use Curly Brackets

I think that the analogy might be misleading, because you can have many empty containers, but there is only one empty set. A set is like a container in some ways; but unlike a container, a set is determined by its elements. Two sets that contain the same elements are identical, but two distinct containers could have the same contents, or no contents.

I do agree that the analogy can be useful, but one should avoid phrases such as "two empty sets" which can cause misconceptions.

• Bon

Wow, Dave. You're totally right.

Which makes me really think about the possibility of having different empty sets. Since the empty set is an element of the power set of any set, might the empty set as an element of the power set of integers be technically different than the empty set as an element of the power set of the set of polynomials (for instance)? I guess, no. But something feels like it might be yes.

If we say, "There's nothing in it," it might be very different if we know what the possible things are that MIGHT be in it.

Wondering...

Hmm. The axiom of extensionality states that two sets are equal if and only if they have the same elements. This is a standard axiom of set theory, and it implies that the empty set is unique.

But it does seem to me that there are instances where we would want to allow different sets to have the same elements. For example, suppose that a high school has a math club and a chess club. It might happen that the two clubs have the same membership list, but we would still consider the clubs to be different. Maybe there is a non-standard set theory that would model this situation.

# Empty Sets - When to Use Curly Brackets

Are you teaching sets? Some of the stuff that you talk about in set theory  is pretty clear - you have a basket { } and you put stuff in it {♥, ✂, ☎, ✿}. No problem.

But what's the deal with the basket with no stuff in it?

That's the empty set. It's written like Ø or simply as the "basket" like this: { }.

But kids might be tempted to write {Ø} - and then they get it wrong. BUT WHY?

### The empty set is an object!

Suppose you have four empty sets. Do you have nothing? Nope - you have four containers. Just check your cabinets - I'm guessing you have a handful of empty sets in there with the Rubbermaid® or Tupperware® logo on them.

### And {Ø} is an object inside a set.

Supposed you put one inside the other, like this:

This is an empty set contained in an empty set: {Ø} So the bigger empty set isn't really empty!

This is the same as {Ø}. Would you be willing to put leftovers inside the bigger one while the smaller one is there? It would be something like this:

If Ø is the same as {Ø} then you shouldn't be grossed out about doing this with your leftovers.

Instead, wouldn't you be more likely to remove one empty set from the other and have just Ø and Ø (no curly brackets) like this:

These are two empty sets: Ø and Ø

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3 Responses to Empty Sets - When to Use Curly Brackets

I think that the analogy might be misleading, because you can have many empty containers, but there is only one empty set. A set is like a container in some ways; but unlike a container, a set is determined by its elements. Two sets that contain the same elements are identical, but two distinct containers could have the same contents, or no contents.

I do agree that the analogy can be useful, but one should avoid phrases such as "two empty sets" which can cause misconceptions.

• Bon

Wow, Dave. You're totally right.

Which makes me really think about the possibility of having different empty sets. Since the empty set is an element of the power set of any set, might the empty set as an element of the power set of integers be technically different than the empty set as an element of the power set of the set of polynomials (for instance)? I guess, no. But something feels like it might be yes.

If we say, "There's nothing in it," it might be very different if we know what the possible things are that MIGHT be in it.

Wondering...

Hmm. The axiom of extensionality states that two sets are equal if and only if they have the same elements. This is a standard axiom of set theory, and it implies that the empty set is unique.

But it does seem to me that there are instances where we would want to allow different sets to have the same elements. For example, suppose that a high school has a math club and a chess club. It might happen that the two clubs have the same membership list, but we would still consider the clubs to be different. Maybe there is a non-standard set theory that would model this situation.

# Empty Sets - When to Use Curly Brackets

Are you teaching sets? Some of the stuff that you talk about in set theory  is pretty clear - you have a basket { } and you put stuff in it {♥, ✂, ☎, ✿}. No problem.

But what's the deal with the basket with no stuff in it?

That's the empty set. It's written like Ø or simply as the "basket" like this: { }.

But kids might be tempted to write {Ø} - and then they get it wrong. BUT WHY?

### The empty set is an object!

Suppose you have four empty sets. Do you have nothing? Nope - you have four containers. Just check your cabinets - I'm guessing you have a handful of empty sets in there with the Rubbermaid® or Tupperware® logo on them.

### And {Ø} is an object inside a set.

Supposed you put one inside the other, like this:

This is an empty set contained in an empty set: {Ø} So the bigger empty set isn't really empty!

This is the same as {Ø}. Would you be willing to put leftovers inside the bigger one while the smaller one is there? It would be something like this:

If Ø is the same as {Ø} then you shouldn't be grossed out about doing this with your leftovers.

Instead, wouldn't you be more likely to remove one empty set from the other and have just Ø and Ø (no curly brackets) like this:

These are two empty sets: Ø and Ø

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3 Responses to Empty Sets - When to Use Curly Brackets

I think that the analogy might be misleading, because you can have many empty containers, but there is only one empty set. A set is like a container in some ways; but unlike a container, a set is determined by its elements. Two sets that contain the same elements are identical, but two distinct containers could have the same contents, or no contents.

I do agree that the analogy can be useful, but one should avoid phrases such as "two empty sets" which can cause misconceptions.

• Bon

Wow, Dave. You're totally right.

Which makes me really think about the possibility of having different empty sets. Since the empty set is an element of the power set of any set, might the empty set as an element of the power set of integers be technically different than the empty set as an element of the power set of the set of polynomials (for instance)? I guess, no. But something feels like it might be yes.

If we say, "There's nothing in it," it might be very different if we know what the possible things are that MIGHT be in it.

Wondering...