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  • Practice, Practice, Practice – Really?

    Practice, Practice, Practice – Really?

    Math is not a spectator sport.

    Who said it first? Maybe Jerry Mortensen. Maybe George Phillips.

    But hundreds, maybe thousands, of math teachers have said it and put it on their syllabus.

    Because it’s true.

    But does this mean that students have to “practice, practice, practice”?

    And what exactly does that mean?

    Say to me “practice, practice, practice,” and I’ll growl at you.

    You’d might as well say to me, “I don’t know squat about your learning style and aren’t interested in finding out. But I know that you’d better do all 50 problems or you’ll lose points on your homework grade.”

    So I prefer to think of this triad mantra in three phases: Practice Phase 1, Practice Phase 2 and Practice Phase 3

    Practice Phase 1 is isolated practice.

    When a student learns a new math concept, he or she should apply it a few times, by itself. This is what’s offered in the problem sets of textbooks: isolated practice of the new math skill.

    This practice is also an assessment phase. At many points here, the student can ask, “Can I do this? Do I understand this?”

    Regardless of the answer, the student can proceed to Practice 2.

    Why “regardless of the answer”?

    Practice phase 1 is what’s commonly referred to when grownups say “practice, practice, practice.” But over practicing can be detrimental.

    Some kids need to nail the isolated practice before moving on.

    Some kids.

    And some kids will become annoyed with it and need to move on to see the value of the skill.

    Refrain from giving 50 problems just because “practice makes perfect.” It doesn’t. Practice sometimes makes frustration.

    Let your child move on to practice phase 2. You can even let them skip assigned problems. She or he may return to the isolated practice in phase 1 later or mentally isolate the skill within the “bigger picture” in phase 2 or 3.

    Practice Phase 2 is “big picture” practice.

    This practice phase helps solidify the math skill. It should teach the integration of the skill into the full toolbox of math skills.

    The math skills ancillary to the main skill being practiced, are themselves being practiced (hopefully in phase 2 or 3). How fluent a student is in these ancillary skills has an impact on his or her perception of achievement of the main skill.

    Textbooks offer a problem set for this phase, but it’s often disguised. It just looks like harder problems.

    It’s helpful to point out the ancillary skills being practiced. This helps affirm how much a child is learning and aids in building confidence.

    Practice Phase 3 is ongoing.

    Real skill is realized when it’s integrated without thought. For me this was always at least six months after first learning a skill. Sometimes it happened years later.

    And there are some things I didn’t “get” until decades later.

    Which means that practicing a skill must be continuous – even if a student doesn’t fully understand the logic underlying the process.

    Of course this phase is subtle if not completely invisible. But instructors can point out when the “old skills” come into play long after they are learned.

    Example: Factoring

    Skill: Use the distributive property to remove a common factor from an expression.

    Practice Phase 1 – Isolated

    \(3x + 3y = 3(x + y)\)

    Or with letters:

    \(xy + xz = x(y + z)\)

    Practice Phase 2 – Big Picture

    Here the skill is integrated with factoring numbers:

    \(3x + 6y = 3x + (3 \cdot 2y) = 3(x + 2y)\)

    Here it’s integrated with rules of exponents:

    \(3x^2 + 5x = x(3x^{2-1} + 5) = x(3x + 5)\)

    This one’s integrated with combining like terms:

    \(3x^2 + 4x^2 + 5x = 7x^2 + 5x = x(7x^{2-1} + 5) = x(7x + 5)\)

    Here there are fractional exponents:

    \(3x^2 + 5x^{\frac{3}{2}} = x(3x^{2-1} + 5x^{\frac{3}{2}-1}) = x(3x + 5x^{\frac{1}{2}})\)

    Practice Phase 3 – Ongoing

    At some point a student might notice that combining like terms is equivalent to factoring the common term then combining the numbers, like this:

    \(3x + 5x = (3 + 5)x = (8)x = 8x\)

    So, really – how much practice and when?

    A student should practice in phase 1 until he or she is comfortable. Remember, over practice can be annoying and seem punitive.

    And punitive math is never effective.

    A student should practice in phase 2 based on his or her comfort level. This is a great time for parents/instructors to notice weaknesses in other skills, too.

    Practice phase 3 is, well, ongoing.

    It’s really helpful to note, out loud, where old math skills come into play. Instructors should always be on the lookout for ways to do this.

    Even things like long division show up in the more advanced skill of polynomial division.

    Pay attention to your student.

    Some kids may respond to the “practice, practice, practice” mantra. Some may get annoyed at it (like me). If your child needs and wants more top-down learning, allow it.

    Don’t force phase 1 practice – offer it.

    And if you see a deficiency in an ancillary skill in phase 2, bring them back to phase 1 on that one.

    Math really isn’t a spectator sport. But that doesn’t mean you have to drill like crazy on it. Adjust the teaching and practicing according to the child.

    Thanks to my math cousin, Vijay, for inspiring this article with his commnent on another post.

    Share your thoughts in the comments or on twitter/x.

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  • Do Parents See the Math Monster? Or Just Think It's There?

    Do Parents See the Math Monster? Or Just Think It's There?


    There were several thoughtful and intense comments to the Sylvan commercial. As promised, here is a follow-up article based on the comments. A special thanks to those commenting on the video, as this is what keeps the math-revolution conversation going!


    There is definitely a disconnect from a service or product and those advertising or making the sales. I’m sure a lot of tutors/teachers at Sylvan wouldn’t endorse the commercial or would go about it a different way.

    Our intent wasn’t to beat up on Sylvan for trying to make a buck. We wanted to bring the commercial’s message to the attention of readers more as a way of asking:

    What does it say that a (probably) well paid ad dept. thinks that this would be effective (which it is)? And what does that say about us as a society (‘math stinks, it’s something to fear, I don’t even want to try’)?

    How about the fear?

    What you don’t know or understand is often scary.

    You may have memorized some math at some point, then brain dumped it on some test. If so, do you really understand this math you “learned”?

    If not, the idea of helping your children with math, without the guidance of someone telling you how, is frightening.

    What’s more frightening: wondering what the monster looks like, or seeing him?

    So they will never show you what your “math monster” looks like.

    But what if they did? Is the math monster that bad?

    What would it look like to help make math less scary for parents? Could parents model this “okay-ness” to their kids? Or better yet, would they have the confidence to help little Billy with homework?

    It’s not going to happen if parents really believe they are helpless and shouldn’t even try. The kids see this and do the same thing 25 years later to their kids. (Perpetual pattern?)

    It’s ok, maybe even cool to say “I’m bad at math”.

    This makes the commercial palatable, or even comical, to some who may relate.

    But if this commercial featured a mom running away from little Billy when he asked, “Mom, can you help me with my reading?” folks would be offended!

    Let’s make math okay for parents too.

    I’m not saying places like Sylvan shouldn’t exist. To the contrary, actually. They provide a wonderful service.

    But if parents are running – and encouraged to run – from helping their kids, they are sending a message. Kids see this and learn, “Mom doesn’t do or like math, so it’s really not that important.”

    Little Billy might end up passing, even making an A, but he’ll continue the pattern with his kids.

    So now’s the time to interrupt the pattern. If you’re a parent, find ways to see and say math around you. If you run from math, pretend you don’t.


    What do you think? Keep the conversation going in the comments! And share this article on twitter.


    Feature image by jez.atkinson | Flickr.com | CC BY

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  • What Are Your Thoughts on This Fearful Parents Video?

    What Are Your Thoughts on This Fearful Parents Video?

    Wil showed up at the Math Shack this morning talking about a commercial he saw on TV last night. “Wow, this is what parents are up against!” he said shaking his head.

    Check it out for yourself:

    We’ve been talking about it all morning. Before we post our thoughts, we’d love to have yours.

    1. What’s the intended message?
    2. What’s the real or perceived message?
    3. How does it affect your view on math as a parent?

    Share your opinion in the comments and let others know via twitter.

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  • Math Education Revolution – The Last Piece Is Easy & Cheap!

    Math Education Revolution – The Last Piece Is Easy & Cheap!

    The math education revolution has been growing. Last year Salman Khan and the Gates Foundation brought Khan Academy to everyone in the world with a computer.

    Dan Meyer jumped into the ring with his math class makeover. With his Any Questions? and Three Acts, he’s fighting the good fight to get kids to learn math.

    Social learning math games like Sokikom, iPhone apps like Motion Math and face to face programs like Mathnasium have joined the math education revolution, too. Thousands of tutors are taking part.

    Experts all over are helping kids understand that math is important, necessary and valuable to learn.

    Kids still resist math homework and avoid participating in math class. Why?

    Because everyone knows that math is boring, hard and has nothing to do with real life. Nobody really likes it – unless they’re an engineer or accountant.

    Math teachers are mean and professors write math books just to mess people up.

    Everyone knows this.

    Who is this “Everyone”?

    Grownups.

    Yup – you and me.

    When you hear people talk about math or math education, what do they say? Anything positive?

    The best I’ve ever heard was, “Actually, I kinda like math.”

    Which means, “I know it’s not cool, and I’m sorry for saying it, but I like math.”

    Would you do something nobody liked?

    No! Of course you wouldn’t. At least not on a regular basis.

    If everyone you knew and respected avoided something – you would too. If all your friends jumped off a cliff – so would you.

    We’re human. That’s what we do. We stick together.

    So we’re losing the math education revolution.

    By the very design of our society, Khan Academy, Sokikom, teachers, tutors and everything designed to help kids learn math are failures. The math eduction revolution is bust.

    We want kids to learn math because it’s important. Math is necessary and valuable to learn.

    But since nobody really likes math, or even does math, kids aren’t buying it.

    And I can’t blame them.

    Is it fixable?

    At this point it’s easy to throw in the towel. Give up. Quit. Decide that the world is going to end up like that movie Idiocracy.

    But we’re so close to the solution.

    The solution involves something that’s very cheap – and research based!

    Ready for it?

    The missing piece of the math education revolution is that we need to teach parents positive influence skills to encourage math.

    What? Will that work?

    We have seen this happen with reading – remember the Reading is Fundamental campaign of the 80s? It’s still going strong along with other programs like the “Read 3” program from HEB. Parents are encouraged, even pushed, by teachers to read to their children every day.

    These efforts have changed the culture in our world so that reading is viewed as something “everybody does.” Parents now have positive influence skills in encouraging reading.

    And those skills have extended across our entire culture!

    That’s the missing piece!

    Parents can develop the same skills for encouraging math. And when we do, everything will change.

    Just like it did with reading.

    When parents start talking about math in a positive way, all of society will.

    The math education revolution will succeed!

    It’s your turn…

    If you’re a parent, learn how to use some positive math talk. Join a program like That’s Math, read articles on Math for Grownups or any other math blog that strikes your fancy.

    If you’re a math teacher, blogger, tutor or developer of math products – make something teaching parents how to talk positively about math. We’re developing That’s Math, but there needs to be more of these.

    Feature image by woodleywonderworks on Flickr.com, CC BY.

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  • 3 Words to Improve Your Child’s Success in Math

    3 Words to Improve Your Child’s Success in Math

    Yup – only three. Said by you, the parent and grownup. Say them loud, say them often. And contact me when you wonder where math is in your world – or leave a comment here!

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  • Mathematician Parent: Libby Often

    Mathematician Parent: Libby Often

    Most parents aren’t professional mathematicians. But there are a few. This is the seventh in a series of interviews with mathematician parents with the goal of helping parents integrate math teaching into parenting.

    This week we visit with Libby Often, a math teacher at Greater Lowell Regional Technical High School. She’s also an EdD student studying Math and Science Education at the University of Massachusetts Lowell.

    MathFour: Hey there, Libby! Thanks for sharing your time. First, can you tell us a little about your degree and career?

    Libby: Hello Bon, it’s nice to hear from you.

    My undergraduate degree is in history and classical studies. I have the equivalent of an undergraduate major in math as well (but not the degree to show for it!). Additionally, I have an MEd in Secondary Math Education and am currently in the EdD program for Math and Science Education at UMass Lowell. I am a teacher in a technical high school in northeastern Massachusetts, where I have taught math for the past ten years. I am speaking “off the record” here – not as an official school employee 🙂

    In high school, I was on the math team and the calculus team, and I cannot recall not enjoying math. Well, actually, I didn’t really enjoy the first semester of linear algebra, and I have struggled with writing proofs, but there was always something interesting!

    MathFour: Tell me about your family – how many kids do you have and how old are they? Are any of them more or less interested in math than the others in the family?

    Libby: I have two sons, a 10 year old and a 12 year old. Both are in middle school (grades 5 and 7). They both enjoy math, and are successful in it at school. I should add that this is their interest, not mine. Although I did tell my 12 year old that he would need to go into Pre-Algebra in grade 7, and to make sure his grades supported it.

    MathFour: Do you have any worries about your sons, academically? In particular, do you think they will do better in math than in other subjects because of your influence?

    Libby: I don’t really have any worries about my children now – my younger son has poor handwriting, and both my children hate writing projects. My likes seem to not influence them tremendously, especially at this point.

    MathFour: How do you play with your sons? Do you view your playtime as different in any way than other “non-mathematician” parents?

    Libby: I don’t really play with my kids now, other than card and board games. When they were younger, I didn’t play with them in a way that was different from what I saw other parents doing.

    We do talk about strategy, about piece placement in board games, about probabilities in games like Yahtzee, but I don’t see that as very different from other parents – especially those who play board games. My sons really like video games, and I have utilized their interests in some of my lesson planning, so maybe that is different?

    MathFour: Do you think you speak with your sons or behave differently than other parents because you have a math background?

    Libby: I really don’t think I speak or behave differently with my children because of my background in math. The main difference might be in the way that I talk to their friends – I invite friends over to work on homework, summer math, projects, and other school work, and that is definitely influenced by being an educator.

    What I do like about being involved in math education is seeing the different ways that students are taught to approach problems, and having an opportunity to talk to them, and talk about why these approaches work, and when else they may use them.

    MathFour: Have you ever had either of your children express negative thoughts about math? If not, how do you think you will handle it if that happens?

    Libby: In general, my kids don’t express negative thoughts about math, unless they have gotten a low quiz or test score and I insist that they go over the answers and correct them. I think my response would be on par with what their goals are, and what type of negative response they were exhibiting.

    I would be much more upset if, for example, my son told me I was an idiot because no one would ever need to know how to use fractions, than if he decided he wanted to major in English because he didn’t like math, or that he didn’t want to take AP Calculus.

    I try hard to look at the end goal – a happy, well-functioning adult, who can support himself and others. And math is involved in that!

    MathFour: Indeed it is, Libby!

    Have you ever disagreed with one of your children’s math teachers? What happened and how did you handle it?

    Libby: I have disagreed with other teachers, not necessarily the ones teaching my children. Our district is fortunate to have math coaches, and my sons have overall had good teachers, who were interested in the accuracy of what they were teaching. My colleagues at school and I have disagreed on a number of occasions, and the thing is that we all want students to succeed. So we have to come to an agreement about what will lead to student success in understanding and in preparation for what will come next for them mathematically speaking. I would expect to be able to have a similar conversation with my children’s teachers.

    MathFour: Now to change direction a little to a more worldview of math. What do you see as the biggest challenge in math education today?

    Libby: I think the biggest challenge, and the biggest hope, right now in US Math Education is the new Common Core curriculum. I really like these standards and the clarity with which they are written. There is no longer the room for teachers to say, “I taught them that!” because the standards specify what the child should be able to do.

    But at the same time, students are expected to master all the content for, say, grade four, during grade four. In the US, our public education programs take almost everyone – we are not excluding people because of socio-economic status, language, gender, or other protected categories.

    But this can be at odds with the idea that a certain concept is mastered in grade four, and then we move on to utilize and deepen that concept in grade five, six, seven, etc. Some students may need more time, for whatever reason, and the curricula that we devise is going to have to address this need for review.

    In addition, the math standards for high school are really college preparation standards, and do a great job of developing the quantitative reasoning needed for success in college but at the expense of a lot of skills we used to teach in consumer mathematics. For students to be successful in those areas we need to be sure they are picking up the knowledge somewhere, perhaps in a “transitions to work” course, or in extracurricular programs.

    One other thing that I think is very challenging in terms of mathematics education and education in general is that our society tends to be very product focused in a way that works well for business, but not for education. The successful countries don’t see changes in a few months, but over a number of years. So people need to be willing to wait.

    MathFour: What can you say to non-mathematician parents that might help them raise their kids to like and appreciate math?

    Libby: What advice would I offer to parents who aren’t lovers of math? Admit that to your children, and talk to them about some other things that you don’t love.

    Personally, I dislike laundry and ironing, but I am still competent, and the family wears clean and pressed clothes. Also, I am not any good at plumbing work. But I do try to determine what may be causing a problem before I call the plumber, so I can be as helpful as possible. And I treat my plumber like a valuable professional.

    Even if kids and parents struggle with “school math,” they should treat it like any other problem – what do I understand, what do I not understand (and believe me, the answer is never “I don’t understand anything!”), what can I do with what I do know?

    Ian Stewart says something great in his book Letters to a Young Mathematician about mathematicians and what we can use mathematics for. The essence of it is that if someone trains to be a doctor, or a lawyer, or an electrician, you can SEE that, because there will be a sign “Joe Smith, electrician.”

    But mathematics can be more hidden. It is the person who designs the survey to determine who people will vote for, the circuit design in your cell phone, the accountant who does your taxes, the person who wrote your email software. All of these people may have studied math, but their job description doesn’t say it.

    The advice I take from that is look for the “hidden math,” and look too at the beauty of it.

    Bon: That’s awesome, Libby! Thank you so much for sharing not just yourself, but all this great information!

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  • What is “Living Math”?

    What is “Living Math”?

    Look – there’s a 30 degree angle!

    Some folks over at the Living Math Forum were wondering if they were doing living math right.

    There’s probably a fancy definition of living math, but I don’t know it.

    The fact is that we all live math! The trick for parents and teachers is to point it out to our kids.

    Ever sat waiting in a doctor’s office with a child? You find yourself “edutaining” them with, “Look, the chair is BLUE!”

    Remember to also say things like, “Look, there are five chairs and six people…”.

    Encourage them to notice that one lady is sitting on the floor because there aren’t enough chairs. Voila! Subtraction!

    So counting people is living math. As is going grocery shopping, cooking, drinking 1/2 cup water, and breathing 87% O2.

    You’re doing it right because you just can’t do it wrong!

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  • Counting with Big Numbers

    Counting with Big Numbers

    Last night I had the privilege to meet and teach Eddie*, an ESL student from Mexico, at Literacy Advance of Houston. He was there to learn in the “Math and Your Life” class, as part of the “Math and…” class series.

    I didn’t realize I was there to learn too.

    I walked in prepared to discuss just about anything math related. And I’m glad that was the preparation I did.

    Eddie was interested in something that I’ve long struggled with. And I’m guessing many children struggle with it, too.

    In English, the number 1600 is pronounced both as sixteen hundred and as one thousand six hundred. I still get these mixed up. Not when I stop and think about them, but when I casually and quickly throw them out.

    Husband is often stunned when I tell him I saw a new suburban at the low low price of thirty-five hundred dollars. Of course I mean thirty-five thousand dollars!

    It’s not just me, I guess.

    I wonder how many other grown-ups still struggle with this. And how often we neglect to teach this to children.

    We are quite accustomed, and comfortable, with teaching our youngsters to count from 1 to 10. Were amazingly proud when we can get them to count from 1 to 20.

    Is that enough? Based on my conversation with Eddie last night, no.

    Teach them skip counting with hundreds!

    Why not use the 1-20 model with hundreds? Like this:

    one hundred
    two hundred
    three hundred
    .
    .
    .
    eight hundred
    nine hundred
    one thousand
    eleven hundred
    twelve hundred
    thirteen hundred
    fourteen hundred
    .
    .
    .
    nineteen hundred
    two thousand
    twenty one hundred
    .
    .
    .

    Teach them all sorts of counting!

    I suggested in this article to count with your children by fractions. It never occurred to me to count by giant numbers.

    What other ways should we teach children to count? Share your ideas in the comments.

    *”Eddie” is used as a variable – i.e. his name has been changed because I didn’t ask his permission to talk about him.

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  • 9 Ways Teaching Math is Like Giving Birth

    9 Ways Teaching Math is Like Giving Birth

    Now that school’s officially in session, I’m really thinking about all the homeschooling moms who are taking on teaching math. I can’t help but see the similarities to something they’ve already done – given birth.

    For each, I noticed that…

    It’s darn scary.

    Giving birth is pretty freaky. Especially if you’ve never seen or done it before. If you have the privilege of seeing another arrive in this world, it makes it easier. (I watched both my sisters and my best friend give birth!)

    Teaching math might be a whole new world – and pretty strange if you’ve never done it. Dig back to some good math experiences you had as a child and draw on those.

    It’s gonna happen no matter what.

    Kids get born. They must. And they do. So you might as well make the best of it and enjoy the process the best you can – with a happy and positive pregnancy!

    Kids learn math. They must. And they do. So you might as well make the best of it and encourage them in the best way – with a happy and positive math environment!

    You get to choose how you do it!

    You can give birth at home, in a hospital, with a doctor, with nobody, with drugs, without drugs… pretty much any way you want.

    We’ve got more freedom now that we ever had. In Texas, where Betsy and I live, a homeschool is an independent private school. We get to teach in an unschooling way with lovely things like Math on the Level.

    It may not go the way you want,

    You’ve got a great plan. You know what to do and how to do it. You’ve taken the classes and my goodness! You’re in hard labor for 32 hours and you’re still at labor station -4.

    You might think you have the best curriculum in the world. You’re all prepared. You start teaching an holy cow! Your sweet student couldn’t be less interested in everything you’re presenting.

    …so be flexible.

    Yes you’re frustrated. Remember the goal – a healthy child. Put away the frustrations and go for the C. Make it up by being a breastfeeding champion.

    Likewise, you’re wanting a happy, healthy child. Choose a different curriculum. Let your child choose a different one. Experiment. Make it up by taking the crew to a great museum.

    There are professionals for this.

    Get a good ob/gyn, doula or midwife. You don’t have to go-it alone.

    Get a tutor, enroll in a program like Kumon, join a homeschool co-op. You don’t have to go-it alone.

    There is lots of information online.

    With books like Betsy Dewey’s Birthright and sites like this one, there’s no reason to go into either blind.

    It’s hard,

    Giving birth is no piece of cake. However you choose to do it, you’re gonna have pain – in some way. Not to mention the nine months of puberty-like hormone swings!

    Teaching math is a challenge. It’s not about conveying information, it’s about following a child’s natural curiosity and pointing out the math that happens along the way. Which means having to recognize math and the learning/curiosity style of another human. Not an easy task.

    …and it’s worth it.

    AH, the prize! When you are presented with a slimy little mini-human, you can’t help but think how cool it is!

    And when a munchkin comes to you and says, “Did you know…” your heart fills with the glee of knowing that she extrapolated to get that – not just memorized it.

    Are there more?

    Any other similarities that I missed? Share them in the comments!

    Betsy Dewey, my cousin, was a huge help and resource when I was pregnant with Daughter. She was pregnant with her second at the same time – that made it even cooler!

    Betsy is an advocate of natural home birth and homeschooling. This article is written in honor of her and everyone else that listens to the beat of their family’s drum – and marches to it!

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  • Unrecognized Math Conversations

    Unrecognized Math Conversations

    I had the pleasure of assisting Sarah Shah in her appearance on Great Day Houston yesterday.

    While preparing for the show, I observed Sarah and the host, Deborah Duncan, in the makeup room having a conversation about math.

    When I said to Sarah later, “that was an interesting math conversation,” she looked at me with anticipation, encouraging me to share what I heard. She had no idea I was referring to her conversation!

    The math conversation was fully on-topic.

    It was national thrift store day, and Sarah was going to share with GDH viewers some tips on shopping at resale shops. The topic of the show inspired their kibitzing behind-the-scenes about buying gold jewelry.

    Deborah was talking about how there’s a difference (sometimes big) between the cost of the gold in a piece of jewelry, and the sale price.

    The cost of craftsmanship should be close to its value.

    Deborah was making the point that there’s value on the design of an object based on the workmanship that went into it. And this goes only so far.

    Right now gold prices are around $1700 per ounce. Since an ounce is around 28 grams, gold is valued at about $60 per gram.

    The QVC bracelet in the picture is 9 grams. It’s selling for $530 – pretty much exactly the value of the gold contained within.

    If the value of gold for a 9 gram bracelet is around $530, charging $3000 for it means you’re paying about $2500 for the craftsmanship!

    Unconscious math is all around.

    Aqua And Gold Fractal by Sharon Apted

    It was a wonderful experience to see two intelligent, educated women having a lively and entertaining conversation about math. It was quite disheartening, though, that Sarah didn’t even recognize it. In a previous life she was a physicist.

    How many other conversations about math are ignored? How many people who claim they aren’t good at math have these conversations every day?

    Look around at your conversations this week. How many of them are about math? Share your conversations in the comments. And with your kids!

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